9 9 9 Versus 20 Off The Top
We're going to stick with actual issues rather than take part in the media circus sucking all of the air out of the room. There has been little in the way of policy proposals offered by any of the GOP candidates. Two bright and bold dpeartures from the assault of talking points and uninspired sound bites have been in the area of tax reform. Herman Cain has offered 9 9 9, and Rick Perry has offered the 20% flat tax postcard.
Both proposals are bold. Both solve problems that are frustrating to the taxpaying public. Both proposals are introduce new problems. Cain's proposal is a simple reduction in income tax rates to 9% for personal and corporate rates, elimination of all deductions, and the introduction of a 9% federal sales tax, the so called "fair" tax, a consumption tax. Perry's proposal pegs the income tax rate at 20 % with very limited deductions - a flat tax. We have examined both in theory back in April of this year, see A Taxing Problem
Now we have actual proposals to examine. Since Cain went first, we will start with 9 9 9. It is obviously the proposal of a businessman with a marketing background. We actually like it. Cutting income tax rates to 9% with no deductions will immediately free up money in the private sector.
Under the current system, after deductions, the tax rate paid to the treasury winds up being about 20 % of taxable income. This immediately cuts in half the real tax rate. That money gets to stay with the taxpayer - individual or corporate, and would provide an instant and real stimulus to the economy.
His plan introduces a federal sales tax to make up the shortfall from the cut in income taxes. He claims that the revenue generated will make the plan revenue neutral, and remove the drag on the economy that a high income tax creates. We don't know if his numbers are correct. Numbers can be massaged to say anything, as we found out during the budget "deal". Still Art Laffer (of "Laffer Curve" fame during the Reagan years) has signed on. We would have to try it to see if it works as a matter of practice.
We support a consumption tax over an income tax in theory, and have floated the idea to be tried in a limited form in Net Taxes . We say "in theory" because we have real concerns that without repeal of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution (authorizing a federal income tax), the consumtion tax will be adding a new form of taxation without guaranteeing relief from other areas of taxation.
Cain's plan deliberately introduces this new tax without addressing the Constitutional mandate of the income tax. He sells it by trading off on cutting income tax rates. We take Mr. Cain at his word that this is what he intends, but Mr. Cain will serve at maximum 8 years. Congresses flip back and forth all the time. Without elimination of the income tax, future administrations will have the ability to raise both the income tax and the sales tax to whatever level they deem appropriate.
For this reason we find 9 9 9 to be a half-measure that leaves the door open to future mischief. Mr.Cain would do better to promote a federal sales tax linked to the elimination of the income tax. Still, it is a bold idea, and more worthy of our attention than his current troubles.
The Perry Plan is a flat 20% income tax, with very limited deductions. It is a good attempt to address the concerns of the taxpaying public's frustration within the current structure of an income tax. It steps entirely away from the idea of the "fair" tax proposal, and settles instead on simplifyng the current tax code.
You've seen the prop - the postcard. Write down your income. Deduct $12,500.00 for every member of the household. Eliminate all deductions except the home mortgage deduction and charitable contributions. What's left is your taxable income. A family of 4 making $50K per year pays no taxes. $44K is the median income for the country. Simple, elegant and intelligent. We like this idea as well.
He adds on sweeteners for the conservative base as well - capping and reducing spending, balancing the budget, elimination of corporate and farm subsidies, elimination of capital gains taxes, and elimination of the death tax. All of these add-ons make the idea even better for us. So, what's the down side?
It's optional. Channeling Obama, Governor Perry said "if you like your old tax system, you can keep it". That's a problem, especially for the middle class. The rich have armies of CPAs on payroll to keep taxes to a minimum - just ask Warren Buffet, and Michel Moore. The poor will continue to not pay into the system. The middle class has the dilemma.
Now instead of spending hours poring over receipts and forms, or hiring H & R Block to do it for you, the middle class will be doing this both ways to figure out which way works out best for them. Let's say that family of four makes $60K. Under the Perry Plan their tax comes out to be $2000.00. Does it work out better under the old system? It depends on your tax professional, or your own skill with numbers and ability to absorb mental pain. There is no real reform that simplifies the tax code for middle class taxpayers.
Governor Perry has put out half-measure as well. We support every detail of the plan, as well as his add-ons. We do not support it being optional, because by being optional, it does nothing to benefit the middle class, and allows all of the "loopholes" to cotinue for those who profit from them, rich and poor. Being "optional" is not tax reform. It is a burden on the middle class and smoke and mirrors for everyone else.
The only way this works is to make this change the law of the land for everyone. Then it is real reform. There are no Constitutional issues to address, just legislative ones. Embrace your idea Governor Perry. It is a bold plan, be bold with it.
Common Sense Dictates
While we are embroiled in gossip and scandal, the true scandal in this Presidential race is that almost no one is adressing the issues that affect everyday citizens. Mr. Cain and Governor Perry have attempted to do just that, and unfortunately, they are being overshadowed by the media focusing its attention on bread and circuses. We commend both gentlemen for introducing some actual ideas instead of running from them.
It's time for the rest of the GOP pack to join in with some specific solutions. With the exception of Newt Gingrich, who has a paper on everything at his website (take a hint Newt - most people are too busy keeping ahead of the economy to read one of your papers) and Ron Paul, everyone is spending all of their time trying to not screw up. It makes all of you invisible.
The country is not interested in voting for someone who relies on vague platitudes and scripted oratory to lead the country. We tried that last time and it didn't work out so well. We're not interested in sound bites or bumper sticker slogans either.The electorate wants bold and specific ideas. Cain and Perry have at least done that. The rest need to join in or go home. So says Common Sense.
RLB

Good grief, better do the math before taking someone's "advice" then you will SEEEEEEE @!@ for your self... 20% off the top is a poor deal when compared to 999 to FAIR!
We the people are ready to abolish the 16th !!! The air is exactly the proper temp to get it doen. I spoke with the Cain campaign. They believe the 16th can be repealed within the first TWO years.
They also stated numerous times that 999 is interim only ! Be an honest broker... and do the math!
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Seriously, repeal 16 and we're all over this. It's a great deal. Except when they raise income tax and corporate tax and sales tax to 38% - like Obama seems so inclined to do. Keep these thieves out of my wallet. Until 16 is gone, Perry plan works for me.
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Gotta go with madhatr on this one - til the income tax is gone, I'm not willing to introduce any sort of new taxes. I'm still waiting for those Reagan spending cuts to take effect, and the Clinton hikes to go away for good.
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I don't know - a consumption tax is far less regressive than an income tax. People should not be taxed for working and saving. If we need to tax it should be from the spending end. I would rather do the fair tax.
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A flat tax with a sliding scale, no exclusions or deductions.
ex:0 to 15,000 no tax
15,001 to 30,000 10%
30,001 to 60,000 15%
60,001 to 100,000 20%
100,001 to 200,000 25%
above 200,001 30%
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Nice to see you doing exactly like the rest of the media...Ditching Ron Paul....Way to go Robert...You just lost a reader.
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I still don't understand why Cain who was originally a proponent of the fair tax went away from it...
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There's a simple reason Matt. The FairTax (which is what he pushed for the last 5 years) is SO easy to demagogue. The shame is that there are many even in conservative and libertarian ranks who also lie about the FairTax.
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Cain, on a bet, will likely go back to the Fair Tax once the 999 has gotten him enough attention.
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You're the only one talking issues right now. Everyone else is on the Cain harassment thing, and all the blame getting tossed about. It's a shame that the only two people offering workable plans are now both dirty in the mud-slinging. I thought that maybe we had some grown-ups, but no.
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Ron Paul 2012! Cain's plan is a joke, it does away with deductions and adds a new tax, it raises taxes on the middle class by 30%. Perry can say anything he wants and he will never beat Obama, I doubt he could beat him self. How about reducing Government Spending by 1 trillion dollars in the first year and keep cutting until there is not personal income tax... Ron Paul 2012! The simple common sense choice.
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999 was like the show Jackass - bold but stupid. It was never going to sell. If Cain survives the scandal (which I doubt he will), he should go back to fair tax. I like Perry's plan better, but I don'treally like Perry.
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Eitherof these proposals is better than what we have now. I'd like to hear something intelligent from the rest of the pack on this.
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I'll opt for Newt's 15% until a better offer comes along! I chose Newt becasue he envisions a bigger pie to slice. The others - same ole non grada.
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Good OpEd and it is correct i have heard several radio hosts i listen to say similar things and it is very true Cains plan and perry's plan are real bad and for Cain to be the first he forced the issue out and has forced the others to step up their game also. Now if Cain does get the job will he be able to gt all of it through? most likely not but with certain members of the leadership in Congress and it will be certain that more conservatives will be elected that most of what he would want will, Reagan himself did not get all of what he wanted no president ever does but both are a good start and people everday are seeing that!
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Cain is an outsider, so they will never let him in, unless the ground swell and grass roots are 100% behind him. Look what they did to Sarah Palin.
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Pray for Cain He could be the only one to turn our country around.
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He'll needs prayers. I think Cain is on his way out. With this tax plan Perry is on the rise. I didn't even know Newt had a plan. I haven't heard him talking about it.
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so in fact on cains plan we'll pay 9% fed tax plus the 6% sales tax here in VA? so it'll be 15% sales tax on everything?
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Any tax scheme that gets those of the underground economy(cash, off the books,etc.income) to pay taxes will bring a windfall! Estimated at a trillion, but I believe is much more.
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