Net Taxes

California is once again leading the nation down the toilet. The state recently came to an agreement with Amazon.com where Amazon has "offered" to collect the state sales tax on items shipped to California, bringing it into compliance with a widely unpopular and ignored law. The "agreement" buys Amazon two years to come into compliance, which means that Californians can enjoy the benefit of shopping sales tax free at Amazon until the holiday season of 2013.

California is not the only state trying to do this, but it is one of the few states where the volume of sales is incentive enough for Amazon to work something out. Every once in awhile another state attempts this, and the idea of taxing internet sales bubbles up in DC every once in awhile. We imagine that the federal government will be looking a lot harder at this in it's efforts to get more money to pour down the drain, especially since Amazon has conceded in California.

Inevitable is the word that comes to mind, so we want to get ahead of the curve and keep this as painless as possible. Taxing internet purchases is coming. The handwriting is on the wall.

Every candidate has put together some form of tax reform, and most support some form of federal sales tax to take the place of high income tax rates. Herman Cain has his 9/9/9 plan, which calls for a 9% sales tax combined with reductions in income tax rates. Most of the GOP candidates for President support the idea of the Fair Tax (which is a national sales tax to replace the income tax). See A Taxing Problem  . We can take the issue of internet sales tax, and use it as the test run for these conservative ideas.

To be clear, we do not favor an increase in taxes, but we do support the shift from income taxes, which punish earning and investing, to consumption tax. A consumption tax is by far the most equitable of taxes. You are taxed on what you spend. All the sniping about millionaires not paying their fair share goes away - millionaires spend far more than the middle class or the poor.

Another conservative idea is to frown on the idea of government subsidies for private businesses. Ethanol and Solyndra come to mind - federal dollars going to support ideas that don't work in the marketplace. The lack of taxes on internet sales amounts to a government subsidy. This was put in place for two reasons.

First and foremost was to nurture a new form of commerce - one of the few times such a subsidy has worked. Buying online is the preferred method of commerce for a large and growing number of consumers. The first decade made for a slow start as consumers grew used to the idea of buying goods unseen except for a picture. Over the past five years consumers have come on board in ever increasing numbers as the system has proven trustworthy and convenient.

The second reason was that there was no mechanism for tracing, collecting and distributing taxes across fifty states with varying rates and needs. It was, and will be an accounting nightmare, if each state were to enact a random sales tax to be collected by the thousands of merchants with goods for sale online.

This provides an opportunity for the federal government to look at what a transistion from income tax to consumption tax would look like. Internet sales represent a true area of authority for the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution. These are goods traveling across state lines. We suggest that the federal government exercise it's authority under this clause to declare internet commerce as under federal, not state, jurisdiction.

As it stands now, Company A is located in, let's say California, and collects sales tax for all sales made within the state, which it pays to the state of California. As a California company, it pays and income tax on it's total earnings which it also pays to California. If it sells goods online or by mail order to Texas, there is no sales tax collected by either California or Texas.

We propose something along the lines of Herman Cain's proposal, tailored to online commerce. Interstate online sales will be subject to a federal sales tax. No state sales taxes can apply to interstate sales, no federal sales tax is collected on instate sales. To keep the numbers rounded out let's go with 10%. You spend a hundred dollars online, you get $10 dollars in tax. It's the "same" deal that you get with going to the mall, without the hassle of going there. The federal sales tax then goes to DC, where it can be wasted in the usual manner.

We also, as an offset, would reduce the income tax by a proportional amount. Ideally that would be the 10 percent that was imposed in online sales, but we are not accountants. We are going for "revenue neutral". Not a tax increase or reduction, just a shifting of the tax to consumption.

We do not see internet sales being hurt by this. People who purchase online enjoy the convenience, and will not stop if this plan is put in place. Most goods are significantly less expensive online than at the mall, so an incentive will still be there to purchase online. We expect that as people "get used to it" internet sales will continue to increase, which will in turn increase federal sales tax revenues.

We also see a benefit to brick and mortar stores. There will no longer be the "tax" incentive to purchase online, and going to an actual store gives the benefit of immediately taking possession of your purchase rather than waiting for it to ship.

This approach will allow the American people, and the federal government to experience the advantage of consumption taxes while enjoying lower income tax rates. It will provide expectations for what will occur with a total transition to the Fair Tax model, and the elimination of income taxes. The argument for the Fair Tax right now is theoretical ,so it's a hard argument to make. This will provide actual data to back up the reasoning of Fair Tax proponents.

Of course, that's if it works. If it doesn't we can always go back to the old model. This is where the 16th Amendment Repealers start jumping up and shouting about taxes never getting eliminated, and now we're stuck with a national sales tax and an income tax. Yes, you are right.

If this gets done under Obama, Reid and Boehner, yes, we are screwed. It's not like they aren't already thinking about just getting an additional revenue stream this way to further burden taxpayers. We are trying to get ahead of them in the argument so that we can attach conditions. And make demands.

This is why it is so important that we send honorable men and women to DC to represent us. DC is loaded with dealmakers serving lobbyists, not representatives serving the people. The 2012 elections are important not only as a referendum on Obama, but also as a referendum on Congress. This is a case where the "R" or "D" doesn't matter nearly as much as the work ethic of who we send to fix the challenges facing America.

Taxes are inevitable. There are necessary things to be done in this country. No one argues against that point. There is no need for taxes to be burdensome or a drain on the economy, which the current system is. We suggest this as a starting point on the road to a better way. To do this it is vital to put people in power who share our concerns. So says Common Sense.

RLB

 

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  • 9/24/2011 10:47 AM paulin608 wrote:
    Amazon folding is the foot in the door. We are screwed if we're making demands or not. Thanks for depressing news for my weekend.
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  • 9/24/2011 10:59 AM madhatr wrote:
    You going all lefty on us today? NO NEW TAXES. It's a simple phrase. Learn it.
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  • 9/24/2011 11:03 AM angela wrote:
    Yeah, this is coming and at the state level it will be a mess. On the federal level it works better and this really sounds like the way to go. If they are going to raise taxes anyway, at least this way they aren't helping themselves first before I even see the money.
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  • 9/24/2011 11:06 AM bawlmerrep wrote:
    This plan, as you lay it out, could actually pass Congress. The state's righters will howl, but this is a legit exercises of the interstate commerce clause. Rock solid. Two problems - the tea partiers will never go along with it, and getting the income tax rates lowered will never get past Obama. Maybe after the elections.
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  • 9/24/2011 3:27 PM David K wrote:
    There are countless terminals and warehouses vacant all over this nation at the moment, I can guarantee Amazon will have several governors offering significant tax breaks and incentives to set up shop in their state. I would not be surprised if Amazon ends up establishing a secondary company for the 49 state customers before this is over.
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  • 9/24/2011 3:29 PM nicky wrote:
    So Amazon in California is guaranteed to be the ONLY company in the ONLY state that will NOW try to tax internet sales. I AM not missing the big picture, the California legislature is....
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  • 9/24/2011 3:31 PM William wrote:
    I believe California is already so far gone it's no longer the outlier that it was, that states that are serious about attracting their businesses by offering low / no state income taxes & are right to work states will be the ultimate beneficiaries.
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  • 9/24/2011 7:52 PM Ron Mortinson wrote:
    I have a problem with where you said ". A consumption tax is by far the most equitable of taxes. You are taxed on what you spend. All the sniping about millionaires not paying their fair share goes away - millionaires spend far more than the middle class or the poor". Like Millionare John Kerry bought a big expensive boat out of state and dock's it out of state to avoid the tax on that boat in his state! Millionaires that want to avoid this tax on large purchases will simply make those purchases in other countries, then bring the expensive stuff home(More job's leaving the country here).... Every effort to change the tax system most of the time result's in us getting taxed for more of the thing's we do from more different direction's; kind of like being bitten to death by Ant's! They seek to increasethe number of different way's and places we pay tax, without making extreme changes to tax rates;The size and scope of Government simply need's to Shrink!, Like I was talking to a local guy today that told me our local county Government just bought over 50 new "Code Enforcement Vehicles",A Monetarily broke county government spnding That muck on 50 vehicles can only lead to 1 thing, Local property owner's getting BIG FINES for "Abandoned Vehicles", "Excess Loose trash", and every other thing they invent a fine for. What partof the Phrase "Private Property" don't they understand?

    i guess that all is simply justified in the chase for "New Revenue"!!!
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  • 9/27/2011 2:42 PM grant wrote:
    I share your pessimism. The only way to slap back the hand that wants to steal more taxes through the internet is to elect solid conservatives in 2012. In the meantime we need to hope the ones we have there can hold their ground.
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  • 9/27/2011 7:28 PM ashley wrote:
    I think you're giving up too much ground by saying that they are going to tax online buying "anyway". Once they have it, it's permanent and they can raise the rate any time. It's getting the tax passed that is the trick. Fight now while we can. I don't know about you but I already pay more than enough. No new taxes!
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  • 9/28/2011 8:09 AM oc taxman wrote:
    Ok, looking at the numbers, if they do a 10% sales tax nationally for online purchases, what do I need to offset that in income taxes. Well, they aren't going to drop my income tax from 35 0r 38 percent to 25 or 28 percent (figuring the Bush rates going away). Still, if the cut my current rate by 3 percentage points (10 % of 35 %) that gets my tax rate to 32%. Stacking that cut against my online purchases being taxed last year, I come out ahead by about $600.00. Not huge money, but still money in my pocket. Just throwing that out as a real number.
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